Mm.

Uh, you know, the-- way, way back when I had just qualified, uh, 1987, I think it was, i-in August, and, uh, my, my boss had gone away on holiday, and so for the first time, I was left holding the, uh, holding the, the control.

You didn't have phones then.

Of course, mobile phones didn't exist, so we had pagers.

Uh, and when the pager went off, it would come up with a number that you had to ring, so...

And you would learn the numbers.

And I, I knew that the, the number was somewhere out in Thames Valley, and I had the car radio on.

Oh.

Yeah.

Um, and this is how my training would have gone in.

I would have been given the simple cases to begin with and then built up.

But we had spent a lot of time in coroner's courts in the days when I would give evidence in five or six cases in the morning at coroner's courts.

Um, and some coroners were quite robust in their treatment of you.

I remember one where I realized every time we talked about alcohol, no matter how it came up, he would always refer it back to driving.

"Well, the level is 80 milligrams, Dr. Shepherd.

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