What do you think?

Yeah, so that's the approach we've taken with CIDO is to say, and this is interesting because it gets back to fundamentals of network design.

And the problem that you have with most networks is sibling, right? Like how can you tell a real question from a fake one, right? How can you tell a real customer question from someone wasting your time? Like what's to stop your competitor just asking you a bunch of questions and using up all of your customer service time, right? And the answer that we've found is relevant time and again, whether it's to do with who gets paid for doing real work on the network, or how do you mediate access to things, et cetera, is that you need realistic fees for doing things, and then a fair, un-gamable way of distributing those back to the people who need them.

And if you do that properly, You have less rent seeking.

So people's money actually goes further, even though it seems weird to be paying for even the access drip by drip.

But it goes to the people who need to get it, and so that means that those people actually providing them services give those things at a more reasonable rate and have a better income stream to do it with, usually because there's fewer gatekeepers and intermediaries in between.

Now, what that means for things like these bots is...

What would you rather have, easier to buy coffee or easier to live your life? No,

Why do you think we were pushed away from browsers? And feel free to run a history of the browser if you feel like it, or just give us a bit more context around that question.

Yes, so I think the app is obviously something that came around in the mobile internet days.

That's when it really sort of took off.

Um, and you know, to kind of put it in context, the, the web, the HTML pages, the things that may, the thing that made Google, Google and Facebook, Facebook originally is a layer on top of the internet.

The internet is the physical network essentially that connects all these things together.

And there's some protocols that run on top of that, that we don't need to talk too much about, but they let computers find and talk to each other, et cetera.

Uh, and early on in the internet, there was a real battle behind, you know, sort of between different things as just a, which would become the popular one, which would become the way of finding and accessing information from this mess of computers that we were starting to interconnect.

Why did Google create Chrome?

And that's such a shift in mentality that, you know, it didn't exist a few years ago.

Yeah, I think, I mean, it's funny because, I mean, the way I see it is kind of like a lot of the hype around 3D printing that didn't come through, where you don't have to go to a manufacturer to make certain things.

And I think the problem with 3D printing is that breaks down in the materials and the learning.

It's difficult to do.

Whereas with software and AI prompts, you know, we're seeing a world where you can basically bespoke make whatever you want.

So there's been a real, I mean, right alongside this Adobe, another company that's nearly Sony level disliked for its practices around.

I mean, in the creative community, it is the bad guy, right? Yeah.

Do you think that people will start rebuilding their own version of a social contract, more like in a community level, on top of this infrastructure that is user agnostic and everybody gets dealt the same rules so nobody can cheat?

Maybe it is affected from a different point of view, but that's not accessible to us.

That's the point I'm clumsily stumbling towards is if everybody knows it's not effective, why do they keep proposing it? What is the side effect that's actually the desired effect? And so we've talked already about this being dressed up as protecting kids or dressed up as anti-money laundering.

So we're giving ourselves away in terms of attitude toward what's really going on here.

And I think that's an important topic we'll get to.

For me, the first thing is that with all of these things, they hinge on...

some kind of tech.

And there's a bunch of vendors out there that have privacy tech or age verification tech, et cetera.

Absolutely.