Looking back on your journey, Richard, are there any lessons from running a business that eventually became life principles for you and guide you in the decision-

Yeah, so there, there are so many lessons.

My goodness.

I would say, I, I would say do not trust or count on anyone too much, okay? I'm not saying this in a, in a negative way.

I say this in a very, very positive way.

Try to count and, and rely on self as much as you can.

Because if you, if you rely too much, especially as a investor, if you count on anyone too much, there's a tremendous risk involved because you expect the, these other CEOs or partners to be re-resilient, solving the problems, being creative, making the right judgment.

Are there any books or any single book that comes to mind that you find yourself revisiting, that you feel has influenced the way you think?

So can you tell me a little bit around, like, your philosophy of, like, how do you go about technically analyzing a company to build conviction that they're something that you want to invest into?

Yeah.

So I, I, I think you've probably seen my stuff around Dune, uh, Dune Analytics, and, like, I love, uh, playing around with on-chain data, see, like, uh, what sectors, what projects have traction, uh, looking at their metrics.

Uh, and, like, through a lot of the data work on Dune, you can spot, uh, trends pretty early, like, while they're breaking out, but the numbers, like, still aren't, uh, super big yet.

So, like, for DeFi, for example, um, this was around 2018.

Um, like Maker, MakerDAO launched in 20- December of 2017, uh, and, like, immediately you could see that most of the TVL on Ethereum was going into MakerDAO and, like, these early DeFi projects, uh, like, uh, Compound, Uniswap, um, Aave and others.

Uh, so it would...

Mm