Right.

then people just go into their rooms, they game, and they're never exposed to that fear.

Exposure therapy is, I understand why you're afraid of dogs, but most dogs are friendly.

Why don't we find a dog that we know to be friendly and ask the owner if we can get close to it? Then next week, we can ask if it will sniff our feet.

Then next week, we can see if we can pet it.

Over time, you get over that fear.

You get over that anxiety.

So talk about Elizabeth's Loftus study, fake memories.

He says, "Oh, you know, I did Wim Hof for years." He was like, "Oh no, terrible if you've got sleep apnea." And, um, yeah, h- how would one make a choice, say, between those faster or slower than average techniques? Because it's not just like one's best or else they, they both wouldn't have their, uh, their fans.

Yeah.

Use cases, yeah.

So I, I'm certified in Oxygen Advantage, which is basically Buteyko, but, um, more for sort of athletes.

Um, so Buteyko is more working on functional breathing, and this is, it's kind of a separate thing.

Like are you breathing dysfunctionally? You know, that can cause panic disorder, dysfunctional breathing.

That can cause anxiety if you're breathing, uh, in excess of metabolic demand.

It was just like enough stress already, you know?

He says, "Oh, you know, I did Wim Hof for years." He was like, "Oh no, terrible if you've got sleep apnea." And, um, yeah, how would one make a choice, say, between those faster or slower than average techniques? Because it's not just like one's best or else they, they both wouldn't have their, uh, their fans.

Yeah.

Use cases, yeah.

So I, I'm certified in Oxygen Advantage, which is basically Buteyko but, um, more for sort of athletes.

Um, so Buteyko is more working on functional breathing, and this is, it's kind of a separate thing.

Like are you breathing dysfunctionally? You know, that can cause panic disorder, dysfunctional breathing.

That can cause anxiety if you're breathing, uh, in excess of metabolic demand.

It was just like enough stress already, you know?

And these are some of the topics and more that you kind of... um throw out there which i think can be quite contentious at times but i think it's great to just challenge certain narratives so firstly welcome why don't i let you introduce yourself first as well tell people a bit about yourself what you do how you got to this stage and why you do the content you do now

Yeah, well, thank you for having me on it.

So yeah, I've gone down a few angles over the years.

I started as a fitness model, and I had my own sort of mental health issues, depression and things like that.

And I thought, if I get in men's health, then well, we spoke about this a little bit off air but I struggled with women I thought well if I'm in men's health they'll throw themselves at me and I won't be depressed anymore I managed to get into men's health and they didn't throw themselves at me and my depression didn't go away so that led me into you know even deeper depression even deeper mental health issues and I floundered around for many years and then I went to therapy and sort of therapy really helped me I'd say I was a hyper responder to therapy once I found a good therapist.

And then I studied it as a life coach.

Then I did a holistic counseling training.

But what about the side of this that is the epigenetics, the environment as well? Isn't that also a big, play a big part, the environment over nature?

Mm.

We followed Freud instead of Adler.

Freud was more about what happened to you, who did things to you, let's process this endlessly, and Adler was more like things that happen in your life matter, but what matters more is your habits, your environment, your mindset, what you are, you're doing in terms of meaning and pu- purpose.

And I feel like that's, that resonated with a lot of people because we have this thing called the treatment prevalence paradox, and, and that is, that's from Jorm 2019.

They're Australian re- uh, an Australian researcher along with his colleagues, basically asking this question: We've got more mental health awareness, we've got more people in therapy than any point in history-

Okay.

So get comfortable.

You can, uh, let your eyes close.