um so i don't want to jump too far to the um to the commentary stuff so you didn't start off life as a commentator did you you started off as a racer you started off as a

racer I did start off as a racer.

Not a very good one.

I was distinctly average.

I mean, I won't bore everybody too much with the history, but I was one of those kids who got a bike like at the age of 10 or 11, but I didn't start racing until I was probably 16, 17 maybe.

And you know what happens if you start that late, then you're already behind the eight ball from like minute one.

But what I had the advantage of was that Where I lived, just on the outskirts of Wigan, we had one of the best BMX tracks in the UK, a 20-minute ride from my house.

And that's the part I love, you know?