With this kind of new normal of continued disruptions and uncertainty, what actual trends are you seeing?

Yeah, it's a great question.

You know, we're recording this podcast.

It's, uh, it's literally two months from the start of the conflict in the Middle East that's-- has had already far-reaching impacts across supply chains, not just oil, LNG, and the derivative markets.

But we've seen these trends start really since COVID when supply chains are starting being impacted by geopolitical events, uh, have become more unstable, more volatile.

And what we're seeing is clients really looking into their supply chains because there's a lot of liquidity that's tied up in their supply chain.

They've experienced an environment of higher interest rate for a long period of time, and, um, they have the need and the necessity now to shift what was primarily a liquidity-driven tool into something more strategic.

I mean, what other shifts are we seeing in relation to value financing?