But that's not what he finds.

He comes to love this place.

This is like so Steven, but he gives gift cards to the people greeting at the door because they're nice and they do their job well.

Because they make his day.

And it's not just that he likes the people at the door.

He feels like he got really good... health care, and that he also thought that the price was extremely reasonable.

There are painful conversations, and then they go months without speaking.

That's how deep politics run.

Ricardo, I'm curious to hear from you what's, what stood out in terms of what Medicaid work requirements or marketplace changes could mean for the patients you see?

Well, it's just an attitude that, that Dr. Oz expressed that, you know, the attitude being that you, you have to work in order to get healthcare.

That's just been...

That's one of the reasons really why we don't have a healthcare system in this country for, that hasn't been created for, for, for, for years, since our accep- inception.

Um, what I see is, is that I see people who, who do work.

I see people who do work, but they might work in, in, in different ways.

Like I have a, a family friend who just, uh, contacted me.

Ricardo, we're talking a, about a lot of math (laughs) but I would love your perspective through a public health lens, because the n- the numbers are the numbers and we can do the calculations and talk about how much we save, but as a physician, how do you react to this being (sighs) just a discussion about money and the cost, and not about the public health impact?