but like it does fascinate me because the creative process and being in a relationship and going through the creative process like I mean I'd imagine I don't know my brain goes straight to like music right and I go all these musicians that have gone through this whole producing art or creatively collaborating and then being together like that tell us about that how does i know we've touched on it earlier but i i want to know about that in a creative process sense

it's actually Not that hard for us.

I don't know why.

I think, like Zen said, we needed to be at a certain level of maturity career-wise, but also personally to be able to do it.

I don't think I could have done it before we did.

And I think that probably comes from a place of insecurity.

And I think once you open yourself up to all options, then I think you can look at things differently.

Rhys, do you want to talk to that?