Rain, so for you, where did the idea of creating games come from? I mean, I think I've always wanted to ask somebody that who's created games, like, how did you, I mean, where did that start?

Well, it started...

By accident, of course, as most things do when they're new and fresh.

And in this case, it was very much a, well, I don't know, we'll try it.

And what the we'll try it was, I was in the business of helping people our five, our big companies that we were helping display their materials at the end of an end dial in grocery stores and Walmart at all.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, rather than giving our audience a game that requires 45 minutes, an hour to play, we thought, Well, these ones are quick, but they spark joy and connection and meaningful interaction in a short amount of time.

So did you work for Hasbro when you developed this? Or did you develop these things and then approach Hasbro?

No, each one of them was developed independent of Hasbro.

Originally, the Twister game was signed and signed to royalties by Milton Bradley.

who was a very prominent game company back in the late 60s.

That's 1967, 66, 67, 68.

And back in there, Milton Bradley was prominent.

It's best known for the sorry and best known for very simple games.

Right.

Ren, could you share a bit of your background with our listeners? Where did you grow up and go to school, and what did you do before you became an inventor? Could you share that with our listeners? Briefly, I grew

up in St. Paul, Minnesota, and I went to a St. Paul prep school, a very small school, and went from then on to did my education at Dartmouth College.

I was an English major and studied to be a writer.

And my background is such that I love sports.

I love playing sports, and I did with several sports and still do.

Where else I go and what have I done and been in business? The first thing, my first job, other than being a truck driver through college.

I was a truck driver for an ice cream company and delivered popsicles, Cheerios, dreamsicles, fudgesicles, and so forth to other creameries from a larger creamery in the Twin Cities.

Could you share with our listeners what inspired you to create these new games? And in a nutshell, what is 15-minute fun and done? And also compared to other board games, what makes your games stand out? The games, the