We, we've gotta be better than that, Renee.

Look, Mark, I listened to that, and again, I was just like...

I'm shaking with how grumpy, emotional, and upset I am about this for the widows and for the families that should have been there and had pride of place at that memorial on Sunday that weren't there.

And I'm tired of hearing, "We didn't have the right contact details.

We didn't know how to get in touch," or, "We spoke to this organization, and they didn't respond." The fact is you didn't plan this with care, because if you did, then you would've actually had people around the table who know how to get in touch with these families.

I personally know the Palmers.

I personally know the McCarthys.

Wh- who does the buck stop with here, Renee? Is it the Veterans' Affairs minister, or do you go all the way to the top to the prime minister?

... we've gotta be better than that, Renee.

Look, Mark, I listened to that, and again, I was just like...

I'm shaking with how grumpy, emotional, and upset I am about this for the widows and for the families that should have been there and had pride of place at that memorial on Sunday that weren't there.

And I'm tired of hearing, "We didn't have the right contact details.

We didn't know how to get in touch," or, "We spoke to this organization and they didn't respond." The fact is, you didn't plan this with care, because if you did, then you would've actually had people around the table who know how to get in touch with these families.

I personally know the Palmers.

I personally know the McCarthys.

Wh- who does the buck stop with here, Renee? Is it the Veterans' Affairs minister, or do you go all the way to the top to the prime minister?