So help people understand a little bit about if you're doing the right things economically, you're also living up to this standard of being a good person, which is really what it's all about.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, all of this has been an evolution for me, and I describe that evolution in the book.

I've spent my entire career in financial services, and it wasn't until my financial foundation started to wobble and shake that I began to question some of the things that I'd inherently believed about money.

The things that we learn in the boardrooms, the things that we learn from the podcast and from the doom and gloomers that you've referenced.

And so once I started on a faith-filled journey, I started to also look at some of the economic principles that I thought I believed in.

And when I started to do the research for the classes that I instruct, I began to see that the stories that I'd been told on a lot of levels, whether it was faith or finances or government policy, weren't necessarily the best thing for me or for most people.

So how do we balance this in our lives? Because I don't know anyone who would answer to any side of that equation or healthcare for all or anything else who believes they're immoral while they're doing it.

Would you mind sharing just a little bit about that

for our listeners? Oh, certainly.

And thank you so much, Amy, for inviting me on.

I'm grateful to get to know your listeners and you a little bit better.

But my background is mostly in finance.

It didn't start out that way.

I wanted to be a psychologist.

Tell me a little bit about that component and why you chose to maybe include that in the book.

I wonder if you can think, Renee, is there, like, one experience that feels very memorable to you where you're like, "Okay, my expertise was really needed here," and you really feel like your mental health background shifted the outcome?

Yeah.

There's a couple instances.

I remember when I had a young individual who was feeling suicidal, and they had thought about actually wanting to go to a lake, right, and just drive their car into the lake.

And so understanding and knowing that, okay, this is really serious, but what does this person need right now? There are times where it's like, okay, who is building the most rapport? Who's this person gravitating to? 'Cause sometimes, to be honest, it's not always me.

Sometimes the person prefers to talk to the officer or vice versa.

So making sure your ego is out of the way, right, and knowing that, hey, however we can get this person help, that's what we're gonna do.

What suggestions would you have for people who are maybe interested in pursuing this kind of work? And I know your experience in psychiatric emergency rooms, it sounds like really prepared you, but if people don't have that experience, what accreditations or certificates would you suggest that they pursue?