I'm like, I don't know who they are, but like we run in the same circles around like going to conferences and craft fairs crafting seminars and things like this so it's been really wonderful for me to see like now you are in the stage of like your debuts coming out so that is very like inspiring for those of us that you know how we you know the work out here we're waiting to get to that point so can we talk about it a little bit like your experience of crafting this your pitching and your agent I think you got it and then like the submission process just up until now and then we'll talk about craft craft

Yeah, I would love that.

So I actually started writing in 2020.

And I started writing, not during COVID, right before COVID.

But I started writing the story, because I was inspired by a story.

Yeah, which ends up not even being in this story.

As it starts, as it always happens, the book you start with is not the book that you end up selling.

I really want to go to it.