and

not through, like, the poetic idea of love and ghosts, which we'd seen a lot previously in haunted house films.

This was, like, the nasty elements of grief, the bits of grief and trauma that people don't want to see, the nastiness that we say, the horrible things that we do.

And, yeah, I feel like it definitely kicked off a huge wave that's definitely petering out of it now.

I think there's only so much you can see with, like, especially post-COVID and, like... economics in like the western world especially and like political like movements especially in like america i feel like people are sick of it and they're sort of seeing less less and less trauma of that nature it feels like we're a lot more digital now with things like backrooms and obsession backrooms obviously coming from a youtube skit and a creepypasta obsession less so many feels I describe it, it's a bit like a TikTok romance, isn't it? You can imagine this being like, oh, story time, sit down and talk to me about my crazy ex.

Like, it feels like that sort of...

It's memeable, and it feels like we're going that sort of way, and we're moving away from, like, these A24, like you say, like, these elevated horror, like, trot-run-the-sleeve sort of films.

Like,