Can you walk us through that example and why that example stuck with you and you thought it was important to bring to the conversation?

Absolutely.

And it's a question of evidence over time.

So I began with a radical moment in Italian cultural history when the old order has to cede authority to a new order, the Enlightenment age.

And I begin with a really harrowing story of a 23-year-old illiterate maidservant who is executed in the main piazza of Bologna for infanticide.

And what ends up happening is conventional to the time.

It's late December, early January, and it's the time of carnival.

And I know I'm trying to create something more practical from a more abstract conversation, but like, do we teach to our students for them to take history always as a context or a way of thinking about like, what do I think about a problem? Or if I'm working with a researcher in like a different context, like how do we use the humanities to improve our public health interventions?