um you've been going for six years or so um i wanted to ask you more generally about like was there ever a point with the business you know all founders go through this all kind of early stage startups particularly where you just genuinely thought things they're just not working out so well and this might not work out as a as a business

I don't think that ever goes away.

And you hear that from founders of big and small companies and people that have made successes.

I was actually talking to one yesterday at this event and they were saying exactly that, but their business is turning over a lot and perceptively, you know, they're a larger organization.

But yeah, I think that, I don't think it ever goes away.

And then it goes in moments and those moments could be anything from recruitment to to raising capital, you're looking at cash flow, those types of things, even down to moments where you lose the key client and then you look at the impact of that.

And yeah, so it does happen.

Yeah,