How did that work? W- where did that, where did that change?

Um, I suppose yeah, with Dad it started probably as I was, uh, entering the trade, um, and going out the other side of my trade.

Um, he was doing quite a lot of commercial and then I would say by my mid-20s, um, the early 2000s, um, he just had enough.

Uh, he didn't like jumping through all the hoops, didn't like the retentions being held.

Um, yeah, the long payment delays sta- I, I think he got burnt a couple of times, um, with, um, uh, the commercial side of things, and I think he found it more profitable and easier, uh, in the residential side of things.

So, uh, a lot of my early years out of, um, uh, out of my apprenticeship was, you know, um, built on extensions and renovations and upper story extensions on, um, on, on residential homes, mixed with the odd occasional, um, uh, uh, commercial project.

But, uh, and then yeah, went into building new homes by my mid, mid to late 20s, so.

Oh, like heritage listed?