Was there, feeling in the dugout during that, uh, during Gary's at bat, was there faith that he might be a guy that grind out the at bat and get something going?

Absolutely.

I...

Knowing Gary, the, the whole team though, I, I just want to say this first.

I was on some really good teams.

I was on that Cincinnati Reds team, um, not until '77, after they won in '75 and '76, but we had the same guys, we just didn't have the pitching anymore.

And, uh, that was a, a really good baseball team.

Mm-hmm.