I mean, it was really a hell of an experience.

Sure.

Yeah.

And, you know, I look at this once this started to come together with Ron and Diane Fagan.

Obviously, they...

This was a dream of theirs since they got the airplane flying.

And really, this is the first time I really get a chance to get up next to the other hell divers.

Liar.

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I just, I got to start flying a lot of cool airplanes very young.

Uh, but it-- At these air shows, just like she said, you know, you see all these military planes flying.

I'm like, "I wanna do that." And, uh, so I started kind of fishing around, you know, what, where is my future going with this? And, uh, ended up, uh, putting in packages to the Air Force and to the Air National Guard, and ultimately, um, uh, ended up getting hired into the, uh, Air National Guard to go fly F-16s out of Washington, D.C., which was awesome.

And the whole time I was flying and checking out in different and newer warbirds, and, uh, also did some general aviation stuff and, and, uh, some corporate airplanes.

We both fly several corporate airplanes just, uh, for friends of ours that have them.

the more popular backcountry gets, I think there's gonna be more and more opportunity on the East Coast, so it's, uh, it's exciting.

And right here is going to help us understand what that is we're here at cub crafters right yes and so can you kind of summarize what what it takes for someone if they want to build it and the options absolutely so a lot of people talk about eab so it's a experimental

amateur build So from the factory, if you look at the history of the Cub and Carbon Cub in general, Carbon Cub provides an EX model, which basically ship you all the parts and pieces.

Like those on a pallet or something? Absolutely.

And you build the airplane at your own pace.

You are the builder of the aircraft.

And then once it's all done, you have somebody come out, finish the paperwork, and then you fly your airplane and you're the builder.

An airplane like this, this is the newest Cub Crafter airplane, which is the UL, which is an ultralight version of the Cub.

Does that mean that it was not something built by Cessna? Or what does that term really mean? It really just means...