So looking back at what you know now, if someone wants to actually get really helpful feedback, have you found certain questions that have helped you pull helpful information out of the other individual?

Yeah.

So I think a couple of them start with this.

A is just do it at a more like set up time at a more frequent cadence, right? I think feedback again is one of those things which any sort of high performing organization, high performing team needs.

But even if it's like two individuals, even if you and I are working together on anything, maybe, you know, let's just say we have a podcast together.

It's just something we both need to give each other, but we don't need to make it this big thing.

I think what happens in the professional setting, unfortunately, is people still carry that mindset from like the academic life where feedback is equal to evaluation, which is equal to this big sort of stamp.

Can you share a story with us of how you've learned to effectively lead through the gray?