So it's like creating those spaces were very hard to come from.

We cannot hear you.

Well, while Kevin is coming back, the relational accountability is actually giving the opportunity to see who is the researcher, seeing who is the knowledge keeper, seeing who is the scientist for the community.

because in land-based education or land-based research is giving us opportunity to see how knowledge should belong to the people and knowledge should belong to the land, right? So deep listening, when elder talks, deep listening means listen respectfully and listen with the protocols, cultural protocols.

That means it's giving the opportunity to elder share the knowledge, not the whatever information we want to know according to our colonial research questionnaire.

the elder bring the stories and that story is connected with their everyday practice connected with their um how to solve their problem so that's why deep listening is so significant method to understand understand respectfully how land is as a science through the everyday practice.

So it is creating the opportunity to knowing that we have a responsibility to protect that knowledge.

thank you