They weren't just being angry all the time.

Yeah, Earth First had a lot to do with the shape, the shaping of things.

And I was with Toby McLeod, some of you here know, and Glenn Switkus.

who went on to work at International Rivers Network.

But the three of us were making a film about coal and uranium mining down in the Southwest and oil shale, synthetic fuel, similar to tar sands.

And we were lining up an interview with Edward Abbey.

And Edward Abbey said, don't come to my place outside of Tucson.

So I just wondered if you could comment a little bit more about what you're thinking there.