Yeah, for sure.

And to answer your question, I mean, I don't know if there's a perfect time to get into music or not.

I mean, I just think you have to get in there and do it.

I think that it's an uphill battle.

Even when you get signed to a deal, it's an uphill battle.

You still have to be relevant.

You still have to be writing and producing good songs, great songs.

Right.