Okay.

And I said, "I have an idea.

Let's put you in coveralls, and let's have you, as part of this, do your makeup," which was fascinating in and of itself to see re- a real clown applying real professional clown makeup.

And I said, "When we get toward the end, I want you to unzip it, your dress underneath, and you ...

There's this reveal." And it was as powerful as I wanted it to be, for me and for him.

He went from man to clown during this presentation.

He gave his all to this.

Love that episode.