Mm-hmm.

Um, when I played rugby overseas, we always hung out at a pub, and that's what I wanted.

That, that's me.

That's more me and, and who I am.

And so I also wanted this pub to be old school, have some, some blue collar ties to it, 'cause Portland was known, and is known, as, like, a soft kinda hipster town.

Um, and so I did a bunch of research 'cause Portland wasn't always that way.

That timber industry had some, some tough dudes in it, and, and a, and a great history, cool history.

Why is that important to you?