And when did like Webflow and Shopify came into the picture?

Shopify never actually came into the picture for a very long time, actually.

I was always somewhat, I was always interested in turning code, designing in code.

I've tried coding and learning coding for like apps, iOS apps, web apps.

I guess this was, God, probably like 2018.

I started discovering Webflow through a Charlie Prangley video.

charlie marie actually charlie marie yeah interesting this seems interesting because i just like for context my html background was i did a html javascript course and i did the whole course in a week i was like sweet i'm in let's do it and then webflow appeared i was like oh interesting Let me give that a shot.

So do you know of those and what's the state of these?