Once again, I can't help but think about the Nanup four when Raphael says this, hidden away in a remote corner of the country.

There was a small group of people enmeshed with each other, um, to a point where there was no possibility of outside review or criticism.

Small groups such as this one have a far greater effect and a far greater impact on the believers.

But in little groups like the Nanup four, the presence of the leader is right there.

And the people being, being bombarded by his views about transitioning to a higher plane and all those sorts of things are living in this bubble, in this cocoon.

So there's no other input other than the input that was being thrown at them every day, um, from their leader, and I think that's a really important point.

You don't have a frame of reference.