What do you feel, what do you notice, like, r-right away the biggest differences? Like, are they s- are their thesis statements different from, from the last one you did to this one that just came out this year?

Um, yeah.

I think the last one I did w- it was called Whitehorse Comes Rolling, and that was 2007.

I don't really know.

But that, you know, that was a record that I-- There was still, like, lots of queer people on it, like Alison Russell, and my friend Ana, Shera, and like then John Wood recorded in Vancouver.

That was done to tape, and it was kind of an accident because I just had the songs and I, I'd been playing so many shows live, right? So I think at that point I was in a momentum.

I was playing like 200 or more, 250 shows a year, you know.

Thanks.

When did you sort of begin to embrace your queer and trans identity? Like was there sort of like a triggering moment? Was it sort of like evolving?

I came out to, started coming out to friends when I was 15, maybe.

And that was really, really scary.

Like I remember, and it wasn't to like date any of them.

Do you know what I mean? Like, it was more like, no, no, no, no, don't worry.

I'm not like, you know, like, so, but that happened.

You know, I had bad experiences with someone who had been my best friend who had to then go around the whole school to tell everyone they're not gay.

What were the resources at the time? Were there, like you said, you knew a few people in Vancouver, but was there any other resources available?

Please welcome Rae Spoon.

[guitar playing] When I smell smoke, I think of you.

When I'm in traffic or my hotel room.

People smoke less these days, but you are everywhere.

You're what I crave.

I don't know when you'll light your last cigarette.

You always say that you're leaving as soon as you put it out.

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