It can have an impact on people thinking about starting families, can't it? And I just wonder if you can talk about, in your experience, what some of the people that you see coming in are most concerned about and what we can most help people with today, I guess, in terms of if they have any concerns in this area, what should they be talking to their doctor about?

Yeah, no, it's so important.

And I think firstly, it's really important to recognize and not feel overwhelmed.

This is very individual and it's about pattern spotting in yourself and And one of the things we're not well educated on as women in society is how to recognise our norms.

We're very good at recognising what's abnormal, how not to get pregnant, how to have a family.

But actually beyond that, we're not very well taught on how to self-care and recognise our norms.

So pattern spotting is really important.

I just wonder if you could just talk a little more, if you would, just to the kind of the surgical medical route that people might come um to early menopause just to help us understand that experience um because i think you know obviously we are we we talk about um menopause in the workplace and i think people understanding um then that as people come back to work following sometimes medical procedures or treatment menopause can very much be part of that return to work experience for them so i think it'd just be good to hear a little bit more about that if we can