yeah so as i was telling you just before we started recording i i very much identify as a feminist as a male feminist but i'm a sex positive feminist not that kind of sex negative feminist particularly the radical feminists who position themselves against the sex work pornography and i mean many different kinds of sexual expression One of the arguments that very commonly I hear from them and we hear from them is that I mean, people, particularly the female performers, are exploited, that they are basically victims, that no woman out there, out of her own free will, chooses to become a porn performer or a sex worker of any other kind, that they're always coerced into it i mean don't you think that that's perhaps a bit um that's perhaps being patronizing toward females who are sex workers

oh absolutely and uh everything that you just stated is absolutely one thousand percent incorrect and wrong.

It's misinformation, it's perspectives coming from places of belief systems and cultural systems in place that are just against this whole industry as a whole.

But the industry as a whole and sex work as a whole is very healing.

It's a very safe place.

It's a very good place to be.

as a dominatrix i've been able to see people's uh when they tell me their kinks they actually have so much shame around their kinks because of the way they were brought up and raised whether it be in a religious home telling them that they were sinners and uh shameful and uh sick um disturbed like you wouldn't believe the stories that i've heard the shame built around uh just one sexual thought you know so this is this can be a very healing uh space for people for sex workers and for the customers um the clients the fans the followers it's very liberating um it provides jobs and work for people that you know like i said before i was in the salon industry and then that had to end pretty quickly because the neighborhood got really dangerous.

Don't you think that they actually might end up putting sex workers at risk, at financial risk? at the risk of having to work in less safe environments and all of that.

Do you remember what brought you to that?

Yes, we were in the backyard, a sunny day by the pool in Florida, really, really hot.

So we were drinking margaritas and just enjoying the water, trying to stay cool.

And I decided to have a little fun.

He had just bought a a digital camera.

And I said, I'm going to go change into something and we're going to take sexy pictures back here.

I was just feeling it, feeling I wanted to do that.

When you perform in a MILF role, what are the qualities that go into it that make you as successful as you've been?

Hmm.

They didn't want me to see them.

And it...

And, you know, back then, too, I feel like there was a lot of shame 'cause I remember people just in the dark hiding and telling me their kinks, their fetishes, and just being very shamed about it.

One was into food.

He would say, "What's in your fridge?" And I'm like, "You know what's in my fridge.

Just tell me what you want me to go get." And then he would tell me mayonnaise, mustard, ketchup, pickles, cucumbers, whatever.

He couldn't believe that his favorite porn star was actually talking to him.And then they kept talking