When you're working with the incoming students, that are getting into the trades, whether it be maritime, and I know you said other things like diesel and other areas, but getting into the maritime trades specifically, what are they sharing with you about their motivations? You said, yourself said, I lost faith a little bit in why am I doing this criminal justice, right? I mean, tell me what they're telling you when they show up about why are they turning to the trades.

Well, it depends on the generation.

I'll say that we cater to a lot of veterans.

So they're a motivating driver or someone who is maybe a little older in life between mid 30s to 40s and 50s.

Their motivational driver might be something different than someone coming out of high school or someone who's in their early 20s.

That younger generation, typically they're focused on what's going to make me a lot of money and get me into the industry where I have to do the least amount of school.

They're not thinking sometimes big picture in that moment.

Because my son is my size, and he's at Steel America, and I can't imagine him sticking into tiny spaces.