If there's a person listening at home who has difficulty feeling lightness or play or joy, how do you go about getting patients to kinda reconnect with that in their life, and, and why is that important for this journey?

Yes.

Um, I think for anyone who's listening and kind of maybe has a little bit of a raised eyebrow or skepticism or even like a roll their eyes attitude of like...

Or, and maybe not.

Maybe it's also like, "I would love to feel that way, but it feels very far away." Um, the first place I would go is validation.

Like, yes, you're not feeling like that's either accessible right now or it's important right now and, and that's okay.

Uh, we don't-- I don't think any person chooses to go at something so hard or to say, "I don't have time to have fun." No one would pick that on their own.

Like, how would an environment like that growing up, where it's very rule-based and it's very strict and it's very inappropriate to do things, how does that affect your, your lightness and your ability to enjoy and play?