How do these people not see this as a threat to Jewish life in America?

Look, this is not a new challenge.

We have historically seen Jews be involved in political and ideological movements.

camps and platforms and positions that are anathema to the needs of the Jewish community.

And it raises a question of why they are willing to do that.

We have seen it historically in the Soviet Union, for example, let alone the way in which you had the court Jew in the medieval period.

Part of this is for some Jews thinking that They are on the correct side of history, and they are on the side that is fighting for the true underdog.

Just for posterity to have this on tape, why should we keep on using the word?

But I think it would be surprising if one were to see African American studies professors say that they were against African American civilization and against the perpetuation of that civilization the way that it is easier for us, we're more accustomed to seeing Jewish studies professors who are more comfortable saying, "Actually, we're against the thing that perpetuates Jewish civilization, that guarantees Jewish civilization in the modern age." That's a contrast that I, I wanna put to you and ask you to react to.

So I'm gonna react to it, Jonathan, with framing a little bit of how Jewish studies in the American institutions of higher ed emerges because I think that's part of the story.

Remember that for many Jewish studies departments, programs, the, most of them, not all, some were earlier because Brandeis University is unique in that way.

We know that Near Eastern and Judaic studies was the first serious department at the university, but there are other places in which Jewish studies will emerge around the 1960s, maybe 19- late 1950s.

When you think about what will be the primary subjects studied in Jewish studies at the time, you think of things like Holocaust studies and also the role of America or American Jews in that moment historically.

There's an element around sociology of the American Jewish community.

There's Jewish literature, which is different than Hebrew literature or just Yiddish literature.

Let's talk a little more practically and less abstractly about the people who are coming into the field and the pipeline, meaning say something to our listeners about graduate admissions, dissertation topics, hiring committees, publications, tenure, like the, the pipeline that brings people formed in a particular worldview into positions of responsibility in the academy.