Do you see a role that these kind of like interoperability plays in much more than just the technical bits and pieces? Like how important is that role at that economic and system productivity lens?

Yeah, I spoke to some of the numbers that we found in our report.

Our report found that 2.7 to 6.64% of annual health expenditure is the opportunity of interoperability.

And we haven't really quantified those numbers before.

We've always had a challenge of really identifying what is the economic promise of interoperability because it is integrated in so many different parts of the health system or health system spending.

And I think I agree with this commission and what they're saying, because what we really want to drive forward is shifting the message and the thinking around interoperability and quality health data from a cost center to an economic driver.

Economies around the world are in a stage of looking for efficiencies, improving productivity.

What's your perspective on what's changed in the interoperability landscape in those past four years?