How did this all start for you?

So while I was in probably my final years of high school, I, I wasn't actually sure what I wanted to do.

[clears throat] But during school, I decided to take, like, the VET pathway, which is the certificate pathway.

And I was already doing, I was doing a cert too in engineering there, so a lot of metal fabrication work and things like that.

And then one of the career guidance counselors came up to me and she said, "Look, there's a Cert II in heavy commercial diesel going on, or is about to happen.

Would you like to do it?" And I just said, "Yeah, sure.

I'll give it a crack." So then I did that, which was through TAFE Queensland, and I was doing that while I was at school as well and completing all my other certificates and- It got to the point where the school was like, "You gotta either choose one or the other when it comes to your certificates, 'cause you can't...

Yeah.