But when you're working with the Taliban, was that strikingly different from the kind of dynamic you noticed in Panama? How did that change? Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, the hostage affairs space is kind of this weird gray space in government where you it's definitely a human centered, human focused role where you you are hired and brought to the negotiation table to build some type of rapport with a human.

Sometimes the most terrible of humans.

But at the end of the day, that's what you're there to do is to try to find that common ground because you're not the military.

You don't have a background in military.

And you're not an undercover intelligence officer either.

Are you feeling relieved? Are you frustrated with the lovers of power, the people you're working with? And how does that change the way that you choose to return home to your young daughter? And now that you have another one on the way, this is maybe a two-pronged question, but do you hope to give your two children maybe the same international nexus child-bearing experience, I guess, that you benefited from in Panama?