Was that something, is that one of those things that you carry in the back of your mind at all times? Do you play with a chip on your shoulder, or is that something that just happened and you march on and you do your thing?

Yeah, yeah.

It just, you know, you know, sitting around at the house on, like, draft, draft day, throughout that process and, you know, just sitting around the family and, you know, you waiting Thursday.

Like Thursday, okay.

Then the second day, then the third day gets here and, you know, you get to the end of draft, like six, seven round, and then, like, your phone goes off.

Then, like, li- literally, like, everybody's, like, head snaps towards you.

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Uh, like, it's kinda like...