I underestimated the number of emails I would have to send to sell my monthly workshop series.

So timeline.

In the beginning of 2025, that's when I decided I want to run group programs and workshops.

That's what I want to do.

So I went down to one one-on-one client and I sold my first workshop.

notion group program i think it was like a four-week group program i sold it in june i hosted it in june of 2025 and then i finished out my contract with that one client in in september and i had surgery really quickly i had a whole bunch of surgeries as well the last couple years I had surgery really quickly.

And then I launched my first digital gardening cohort in the fall of last year.

And that does not work very

You know, what was your, I guess, life like going through school, and how did that shape your relationship to learning and to wanting to teach or not teach?

Yeah.

So when I think about and I talk about my experience in education, I'm talking about traditional education.

I'm talking about school, the institution of school that starts around four or five years old, mandatory until you're about 18, and then optionally you can go into higher ed.

And I always hated school.

I hated going to school.

There were a number of different reasons for that, and it really wasn't until probably the last five years or so that I began to unpack it.

But what do you do in the classroom when someone's like, or, you know, the proverbial classroom, the Zoom room, wherever you are with these people, when they're like, "I can't figure it out, Podge"? [chuckles] How do you handle moments like that in your teaching?