So I wanna touch that before you go to AI just about you and how you build your coaching career.

I d- I think one of the things that came out of that time for me was recognizing, um, that I was also trapped in this false statehood of perfection-seeking.

It was a big thing and, and you know, that's understandable, born from a time where I felt like I needed to shape-shift in order to gain acceptance in the world, and so it became a- A way of being.

It became a, a habit, if you like.

Um, and I saw that up close with this interview.

You know, I think, um, people who didn't have those issues might have just run with it, really happy.

"Great, yeah, I've got this." And I couldn't celebrate it.

And this is of course a millenarian question, but in the context of leadership, in the context of coaching and personal development.