So let's just start off, if you would, Pie, will you, will you tell us a little bit about why you specialize in OCD or how you got there?

Yes.

And it's not my only specialty, so I'd spend some time with it.

But I was never one to do exposure therapy or, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy with that, and these are two excellent ways of dealing with OCD.

But I had a number of clients who had gone through various therapies for their OCD, and it wasn't working for them.

And I-- that was a major issue why people came in to see me.

So I was trying to figure out how to incorporate brain spotting with dealing with OCD, and for clients who say they don't have OCD, but they may say they loop in their thoughts And so, I remember my very first client clearly.

So can you explain what, what is going on in the brain when someone is having these obsessive and compulsive behaviors and thoughts?