When you were 12, do you feel like, 'cause I've obviously worked with a lot of children and really, like, looked into children dealing with grief, do you feel like you were told the honest truth by the people around you, or do you feel like you and your sister were, like, shut out of conversations because maybe you were too young? Like, how d- what is your take? How do you feel that...?

Yeah.

I definitely feel like we were shut out during the time when mom was poorly.

And then I think when things got really bad and when people started to realize that mom wasn't gonna make it, there's no, there was no doubt about that, I think then they had to, like, like, go, like, further in, like, telling details and...

I think you have to, don't you? I'm an advocate for being straight up.

T- to be honest, I'm, like, saying that, but I've never had to be in that situation luckily, and hopefully I won't have to be in that situation.

But I do think if you're straight up and honest with kids, they respond better to that.

Did your mum go into a hospice?