Could you tell us a little bit about your own journey of adaptation and really the reasons why you felt that adaptation was necessary and where you've gotten to now?

Thanks, Jamie.

Yeah, so some of the background story to why and how I created Moral Imaginations was when I trained with Joanna in 2016, she introduced me to the term moral imagination, and when I heard that term, I had a bolt of, almost like a bolt of electricity run through me, like, "Okay, this is it." I'd been asking the question, how do we cultivate a sense of interconnected morality, a, a sense of responsibility and action, but also the creativity to respond to the great challenges that we're facing in the Great Unraveling? And so I heard this term.

I spoke with Joanna about moral imagination.

I was a scientist just, uh, leaving my career in science, and the other thing she introduced me to was the Shambhala warrior prophecy, which in a nutshell, talks about a new kind of warrior that rises up in these moments of dark times and despair, equipped by two weapons.

She would talk about in the left hand, the weapon of compassion, and in the right hand, the weapon of insight.

And I thought there was a lot of thinking and discussion that went into it, and that led to this desire to be cultivating and helping connect and amplify and support these Shambhala warriors, these people who go deep into the heart of the institutions.

What, Phoebe, do you think is required for this approach and, and other similar approaches to deliver on that deep potential at the largest scale and in the longest timeframe?