And so when you think about midlife in particular, Philip, um, when did you first realize that something had shifted within you?

Um, so I remember it distinctly.

My, my business was on a strong growth curve.

Um, you know, we've, we're in like our 14th year now of a seven-year bull market right now.

[laughs] So I remember back in, um...

Let's see.

I'm 51, so I remember almost as soon as I turned 40, I, um, started having a sore throat.

And so in particular, was there something that you noticed, Phillip, that used to work for you but suddenly didn't anymore in midlife?

When you were actually in the ditch, what was the specific moment or thought made you shift from laborer to owner?

That's a funny story, Daniel.

So, this is fast-forwarding a little bit.

So, the...

I, the job I was working at, there was a recession in 2003, quite some years ago, 20 something years ago.

And the hours, my company, they were paying me hourly.

And during the recession, my hours dropped to like 15 hours a week.

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