Mm-hmm.

And somehow, I don't know what it is, but there's no creativity, and it really surprises me from Glenn because I know that he's a very creative designer, and yet the, the collection seems sluggish.

You know? It doesn't really have energy, and some of it also feels quite old.

So, um, yeah.

And then for Dries it was, like, another issue.

For Dries, for me, there were too many looks.

The show itself didn't really work because it was very slow.

Mm

Um, but anyway, weather not withstanding, which really did make everything incredibly hard, uh, what were your first impressions of the season?

I would say that overall I was fairly, uh, unstimulated by the collections that I saw, and, um, found the season rather bland and lacking innovation, to be honest.

And also, you could sense that, you know, besides the heat and everything, there's also a lot of fear at the moment, and, uh, people are hesitant to take creative risks, so that came across quite strongly this season.

Uh, what did you think? How did you feel-

Yeah

... bigger than yours? And it, it all ends up looking a bit silly." And I thought a lot about this because, you know, also talking to Nathalie Olsen at Pitti in Florence and, and, and her telling me that there are so many permits and so many documents you need to have today in order to do a show in Paris, even as a upcoming brand, you know? So, you need the money, and you need the authorizations to do this.

You cannot just bring a bus of people from Belgium and say, "Hey, let's do a show," you know? "Let's do, like, a guerrilla thing somewhere and see what happens." You cannot do that anymore-