How can that look like? Where do you actually use such a concept? Where does it get from a piece of paper and a slide to something that is actionable and actually helps?

Yeah, that's a good question.

When we are working with clients, they usually approach us with different challenges.

And every IAM challenge, every customer is unique when it comes to that.

We have the two frameworks, the identity fabric and the reference architecture as very strong blueprints, as structured approaches that provide a lot of guidance and structure for the customer as well.

So whatever challenge we face in the IAM space, we start with the identity fabric and create a structure, an orientation for the customer to move forward, to understand the challenge, and to understand how to move forward.

I think that's the most important part here.

So the question is, how does the concept of the of the identity fabric and the reference architecture, how does it hold up with the developments that we see? What's created to be adaptable? Is it, Philipp?

What are the biggest mistakes that you see that can be done and that should be prevented and where you try to support the organizations with?

Yeah, I mean, as you can already guess, one of the biggest mistakes is to focus on just one perspective.

That happens very often, actually, because the idea starts somewhere and those people are making a local decision for themselves.

They are saying, hey, For example, the business unit says we need a functionality.

So we put a tool on top of that, regardless of IT, of the security aspects, of the organizational fit, of probably the budget is least important because business usually cares about the budget.

But I think you get my point here.

So this is definitely one thing that I see a lot.

the better solution to lean more towards buy?

So we are breaking paradigms that worked for decades.

Yeah, absolutely.

And we can see that with the trends that we have discovered at EAC.

So as I said, it's not all about agentic AI.

But we can use some of the known technologies and some of the known methods that we already have in IAM for at least solving parts of the challenges with agentic AI.

So I'm talking about dynamic authorization, for example.

We need to work with the agents that come at machine speed, making decisions at machine speed.

Do you agree as well?