Tell us more about your view on the technology trends and challenges in hydrogen.

Well, as I already said, there are a lot of innovative technologies which are not yet proven in use.

So, by the way, pretty interesting, right? Because I've been so many years in the chemical industry already.

Now comes a new segment where you have so many innovations.

So a very exciting thing, which I really love to be part of that development.

So when you look, for example, at the electrolyzer OEMs, a lot of these electrolyzer OEMs come from various backgrounds and are newly on the market and also new in the chemical industry.

And many of them have very interesting innovations, but many of these are also untested.

so let's let's focus a little bit on the second topic you mentioned the levelized costs of green hydrogen are still too high and therefore obviously also the derivatives you derive from from green hydrogen too high so what is your perception on a price development for green hydrogen in the mid to long term