It just wasn't for you

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they just had the right personality for it, and I did not.

So I, I didn't really have, um, I didn't know where I belonged exactly.

I ended up getting a job at Zingerman's Deli in Ann Arbor as a staff illustrator.

So Zingerman's has been around since the early '80s, and ever since the very beginning, they've always had staff artists.

Um, so originally it was, like, people that would make their handmade signs and things like that, but e- then eventually they had a whole global, um, system of, for, for mail order ca- type of stuff, like sending gourmet foods around, around the planet.

... books would be.