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And whatever I could save along the way, and however efficient I could get along the way made, made me a, a wealthier person.

So I was looking at that in the same vein, and I was saying, "Sure, this can't be right." I mean, there's gotta be a better process that can be put in place here to cut out a lot of the waste and a lot of the duplication and a lot of the complications.

So I sat down with guy-- I had my own ideas about that, but, um, you know, bar turning on a computer now and being able to answer my mobile phone, that's as far as it gets with me in tech.

So what I did get together with a couple of tech guys, uh, and I did say to them, "You know, surely we can find some way of automating, digitizing, uh, a lot of what founders have to go through." Um, and it was happening in an age where AI was taking off as well.

And, um, you know, I found myself talking to all these tech guys who, you know, live in a world of acrimony, and it's, um, GLS and LLMs and stuff, and I wouldn't have a breeze what they were talking about.

Um, but at the end of the day, I was trying to convince them that there must be a sensible, more sensible, more, um, as I said, efficient way of helping founders to get the support and help that they need to get their businesses off the ground.

So where do you see tech and AI heading then in the next few years?