You know, what what was the modus operandi of these of this conflict in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s? Like what were people afraid of happening to themselves or to their relatives? Like what was going on? in a literal sense.

Right.

So in the late 1960s, there was a civil rights campaign from the minority community to gain basic rights, a one man, one vote situation to gain access to education, access to housing, access to jobs, which were all under discriminatory kind of structural practices.

If you recall in our own history, the attack on the Edmund Pettus Bridge when John Lewis was hurt and so many people were beaten by the police, similar things happened there around the same time, a year or two later.

The Burn Tollet Bridge was an incident where police and off-duty officers just wailed, just absolutely brutalized a group of marchers.

And other things happen like that.

Bloody Sunday, which is the object of a film that's going to be coming out, is also one of those incidents where ordinary people were engaged in a march.

kind

know,

blithely called the Russian mind.

You know, this sort of way of seeing the world that where spirituality is a countercultural thing.

element that hearkens to deeper elements in the culture than the Soviet iteration of the culture would be able to imagine.

Andrew Rublev to me is just this incredible movie about all the things that can go into art, that can go into the formation of an artist.

And, I don't know, the tremendous sympathy he has for the smallness of being human in the face of the anarchic elements of a society.

The masses who attack the balloonist, the guards who oppress the holy fool, the sort of...

And I think that's probably a little