Yeah

... was the first kind of drone license.

And that, um, was equivalent, so you could just...

I could just send my BMFA license to the CAA, and it, it gave me a permit for commercial operations.

So I had that, and, um, funnily enough, I was camping and, um, I was...

I've got twin boys, and there was a, a wed-wedding... a female wedding photographer camping next to us.

So I just got friendly, chatting to her, and she was saying, "Oh, you know, if you get up tomorrow morning, there's gonna be a really nice magic hour in the morning.

Mm.