What do you think, Bill?

Yeah, I love the idea of what Pavel talks about in the classic kettlebell book and the intro text, Michael, that you know so well with kettlebell simple and sinister.

And where he talks about in any level of the Russian military, they would have a courage corner, even on a submarine, where there would just be a couple of kettlebells.

Sometimes they're quite often, they're not the fanciest, shiniest branded ones that we come to see in Western gyms, but this is a corner where courage is developed and strength is developed.

And, you know, somebody would go past it and they would do a set of 10 swings and someone else would go past it and they do a set of 10 presses.

And then maybe somebody else would do one or two reps and then do 10 pushups.

And so throughout the day, there's almost this little nibbling on the physical game.

What do you think, Bill?

Um, and Phil, with, you know, and since you do a lot of work with high performance, writing about high performance, I would just love to get your perspective on the whole idea of playing to win versus obsessing to win, hating to lose.

Mm-hmm.

Absolutely.

Well, I think even Coco herself, the, the end of that, that little section in the media was she, she's always working on her mental game, 'cause she said, "I'd like to flip that." So she recognized it in herself that it wasn't ideal, and then is trying to, to get past that.

And, um, really, I think the, the starting point for her is probably self-belief.

I remember another quote that she had maybe last week where it was, um, talking about honestly just believing is all I can do, and I think she was talking about particularly days when it wa- you know, the game wasn't coming naturally, and she said something like the g- you know, "My game's not always going to show up, but one thing I can control is my belief in myself." And so maybe that's her starting point to start turning this thing around of, "Oh, phew, just about got, scraped my way through that one," to fully embracing that and, um, and letting it rip.

And I think a lot of the time the mental game is about getting unstuck and getting out of your own way so, so that you can let it rip, and just trusting that you have the receipts from not just a good week's practice before or a good camp before with your coach, but from everything that you've done in the last month, everything that you've done in the last year, in the last 10 years.

Yeah

What about from your perspective, Phil? When you and Jim started putting this book together, how did you decide that the lessons needed to be experienced and practiced every day rather than just in a traditional book format?

Yeah, I think in the past we've talked about the Cs, and those include courage and confidence and commitment.

And so we definitely wanted to not rehash those, but stick to some of those pillars that we've touched on before and introduced before in previous books, but explore them in a deeper way.

And really the framework came out of Teddy Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech, in which he famously said that the critic counts for nothing, but it's the man in the arena.

And then to paraphrase, It's the person that's willing to actually put themselves out there in the performance realm and try and fail and fall down and get back up that counts, not the critic.

And so that was really the framework.

And then from there, we started to think about what were some of the great arenas.

What's the first thing you would want them to understand to how to flip that around?

But paramedics on foot got to him first and started to assess the situation.

And then they started doing some first aid.

Well, they tried to give me some pain medication.

They tried to start an IV.

None of it worked.

So it was just a matter of getting me down to a different environment where other personnel could take over.

The helicopter came, but it just made a big circle.

And then, and this is where I falter personally, not being afraid to lean on that community in times of need.

Um, do you think that is typical of people with a lot of money?

Well, I mean, without being, pretending to be a psychologist, I mean, yeah, people are complex, and a lot of happiness comes from satisfaction of doing good things, actually, I think.

And so for somebody with wealth, then giving away some of that wealth can be a good thing, and that can create satisfaction.

For other people, it might be working in the charity shop on a, on a sort of Monday afternoon or whatever, and again, giving back to the community in some way.

So there are all different ways of people doing...

Or helping a friend, and all these things, people actually value and give them happiness.

And we're...

when you think, okay, well, I've got all this money, what, what do I do with it? And, and that can cause a bit of stress as well.

But you can see the result of it, whereas if you send, I don't know, £50,000, £100,000 to the treasury just as a, an extra donation, that just disappears into this black hole, doesn't it?

Exactly, and I think that's the problem with that voluntary approach.

And, and actually you know if, if some millionaires, billionaires did contribute some money to, to that, then okay, m- or to a philanthropic cause, again we solve a problem maybe for a year, you know month or two, we could help homeless people somewhere other.

But you can't address root causes without serious sums of money, and without actually the government doing it.

So as millionaires alone we can't really solve that many problems.

But what we can do, if we club together and all the millionaires are taxed, then we can contribute that 20 billion or 24 billion or whatever, that we can do to, to help the government solve problems.

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